Jackie Goldschneider revealed where she stands with Dolores Catania after Dolores slammed her recent actions on Real Housewives of New Jersey. The mother-of-four also shared insight into her relationship with her sister, and she teased future drama within the cast.
During the RHONJ After-Show, Dolores shaded Jackie for questioning Danielle Cabral’s drama with her estranged brother and insinuating Danielle wasn’t telling the full truth. In the interview, Dolores then questioned Jackie’s relationship with her sister, insinuating there’s a missing piece to the puzzle.
In an interview with ET, Jackie indicated that she and Dolores are not feuding despite fan speculation.
“Can I explain [Dolores’ comment] for a second?” said Jackie. “I’m gonna be totally honest here, and if you ask Dolores she’ll tell you the same thing: Dolores and I got into a fight, like an argument, OK? We got into an argument on a Thursday and … she did her after-show four days later, on a Monday, and then the following Saturday we made up with a big, huge hug and, ‘I love you…’ and blah, blah, blah!”
“She was– we were pissed at each other, and she was really pissy,” the star continued, “and when Dolores is really pissy, she does not hold back, and so she did that after-show during the one week that we were in a fight, and that’s why it came out so nasty.”
Jackie, who didn’t explain what led to the fight, defended her own questions about Danielle’s story.
“I’m sorry, but if you’re gonna go on a reality show, you have to be OK with people asking questions, right?” she asked. “I don’t think there’s anything wrong with asking questions about a story that doesn’t seem to make sense and also, please ask me whatever you want about my sister! I have told it a million times, and you’ll never see me go, ‘Stop f**king asking about my sister!’ You know? Like, I don’t mind the questions about my sister, because the truth is the truth.”
“For Dolores to say that I should worry about my own sister and not ask Danielle questions well, first of all, that’s what we’re on the show for,” she added. “I mean, we’re supposed to ask questions to get more of the story. … I don’t know what she’s trying to say there, that, like we shouldn’t be talking about our lives in-depth on a reality show? I don’t know what her point was, but I do know that Dolores was mad at me that day, and so that’s why I think she was so aggressive.”
After Dolores’ recent interviews, some viewers have challenged Jackie’s previous phone call with her sister in an earlier season – claiming it was staged, as her sister’s voice wasn’t shown.
“Nope,” said Jackie. “My sister said, ‘I will have this call with you, but I don’t want…’ — ’cause I texted her first; I said, ‘OK, if I call you, will you pick up?’ She said, ‘Yes, but I don’t want my voice on the air…”
“I have no reason to fake it,” the star continued. “I have enough going on in my life. If my sister didn’t want that part of that story in my season, then I would have picked something else. I’ve got 85 million stories that I could use as a storyline. No, no, no — we had that conversation and then we actually followed up and made plans, and that summer I went to her house for July 4th and then it fell off again.”
“We don’t, like, hate each other,” Jackie insisted. “If I called my sister right now and needed something, she’d be there in a minute. I know that.”
Jackie then shared why she didn’t address Danielle directly.
“Why would I go to Danielle with anything?” she asked. “Danielle cut me out of the first cast event for absolutely no reason. … She excluded one out of nine people from a cast event, which I thought was so mean — show or no show, that is so mean — and once that happened, I really lost any respect for her. I would never go to her with any concern or anything because I wouldn’t be well received, and I wouldn’t be respected.”
She also discussed Danielle refusing to invite her to the next cast event after Jackie gave Danielle a shady look and dissed her wardrobe choices.
“I was so friendly to her at the roller skating party, which was the first thing, the first time we met, and then the second time at Margaret [Josephs’], yes, I looked at her outfit,” she explained. “I looked from head to toe behind her, OK? I just wanted to see it. I like looking at people’s outfit, and it was a particular outfit, so I looked at it … [but] she didn’t see it. I was behind her. I was behind her.”
She denied that her behavior toward Danielle was an attempt to return to the show full-time.
“Me being mean to Danielle is not going to, like, midseason, once Bravo made their decision, gonna get me my full-time role back,” she said. “That’s absolutely ridiculous. I mean, I knew that coming into this season, I was a friend. I knew that it was decided, so me not being welcoming to Danielle wouldn’t get me anywhere. That would just be stupid.”
“Plus, you have to be a part of the group in order to even stay on this show, so I’d be biting off my own nose to spite my face, you know?” the star added. “Danielle is not my competition. Honestly, if the show wanted 10 Housewives, they would have 10 Housewives. I know they love me, and I know the reasons why I couldn’t be full-time this season and I have already discussed them. Danielle had absolutely nothing [to] do with that. It was decided before Danielle even came on the scene.”
“If it was me or Danielle, and I had to destroy somebody in order to come back, like, I would say goodbye,” claimed Jackie. “It doesn’t work like that for me.”
The star also addressed drama in the latest episode, which foreshadowed Teresa Giudice’s feud with sister-in-law Melissa Gorga. According to reports, the family members are no longer speaking.
“It started feeling really divided, like this is getting bad and it’s only gotten worse,” Jackie shared. “Right now, it is so divided that we can’t even be in the same room together. I am so grateful that I will not be at the reunion for more than a part-time role.”
“I know that last year was so contentious and it is has nothing on this year,” she said. “I cannot imagine what’s going to happen this year. It’s so bad. We are so divided. We couldn’t even be in the same room at BravoCon! We had separate panels, so I just, I think it’s really sad. I think it’s sad. I think it’s terrible and I don’t know how we all come back without it all being the same thing again, you know?”
“I don’t know how we could do this again next season,” Jackie added. “We are at such an impasse. That being said, I don’t have a problem, personally, with most of the cast. I don’t know if, like, I am lumped in with Margaret, Melissa and that’s why I am like on this side, but really, I feel like I am pretty good with almost everyone. Hear that, Dolores? Good with everyone!”
Regarding the sisters-in-law, Jackie claimed she’s not sure how the next season will be filmed: “The problem is, yes they could [film together again], but we’d have all of the same scenes next season … So, I don’t see how that’s possible, I don’t.”
“Teresa’s been on it since day one, so you can’t really imagine the show without,” said Jackie, “but then again, Melissa is also, I feel like this year she was so strong. She’s always great, she’s so strong. But the men play a really important role in Jersey, too, and Joe Gorga‘s the leader of the pack, you know? He wrangles the guys, he gets everything going. He’s the life of the party, so I can’t– I think if he wasn’t there, I don’t see the men being an important entity in New Jersey anymore, so I can’t imagine it without either of them. I really can’t.”
Addressing the mid-season trailer, which teases a fight between Margaret and Danielle, Jackie expressed, “I don’t wanna give it away; I will just say that nobody beats Margaret.”
The season eventually ends with Melissa and Joe’s decision to skip Teresa’s wedding, though the footage of what led to it is still hidden.
“There’s so much speculation, I want for Melissa’s sake — ’cause she’s one of my dear friends — for everyone to know why she did not go to Teresa’s wedding,” she said. “I want everyone to really understand that.”
Jackie admitted she perhaps started the conversation about having Margaret as an ‘enemy’ – a claim which spilled over into the current season.
“I think I started that last year when I said, ‘You don’t want Margaret to be your enemy…’” she said, but she claimed she was complimenting her co-star. “I was coming from a place of, Margaret, she’s smart. She knows stuff … Like, don’t mess with her, because she doesn’t mess around. If you go for her, she’s gonna come back for you.”
“I was almost, like, complimenting how … good of a combatant she is,” Jackie went on. “Like, you don’t wanna mess with her. [Teresa and Jennifer] were saying it as an insult, sort of like, Margaret is sneaky and she’s a bad person, so don’t mess with her, ’cause she’ll destroy you. That’s totally opposite from what I was saying. I was just saying that she’s a very worthy opponent. It’s not gonna be good if you go for her. She won’t just let it pass.”
The Real Housewives of New Jersey season 13 airs Tuesdays at 9/8c on Bravo.