If you had the unfortunate opportunity to catch Tucker Carlson’s Fox Nation special on the “End of Men” last year, you might have mentally noted that it was one of the weirdest things to ever air on TV, given the segment on—and endorsement of—“testicle tanning.” But apparently Carlson is not one to rest on his laurels vis-à-vis creeping out as many people as possible, hence an interview with Elon Musk in which the Fox News pundit and the Twitter troll/second-richest man in the world/problematic baby daddy chatted about about their sexual urges.

Yes, on the second night of what was for some reason a two-part interview, the two men discussed their desires to copulate and impregnate women. This was part of a conversation around what Musk claims is the impending collapse of society due to falling birth rates. (In fact, the global population is growing and experts have suggested Musk is full of shit.)

Noting that “the urge to have sex and procreate is, after breathing and eating, the most basic urge,” Carlson asked Musk, “how has that been subverted?” Naturally, Musk blamed the alleged issue on women being able to control their bodies, saying that back in the day, pregnancy was the default outcome of having sex, but that “birth control, abortions, and whatnot,” which allow people to “satisfy the limbic instinct but not procreate,” have ruined everything. “If we don’t make enough people to at least sustain our numbers, perhaps increase a little bit, then civilization is going to crumble,” he warned.

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Musk, of course, has been beating this drum for some time, tweeting last year, after the news emerged that he had reportedly fathered twins with a top executive at his artificial intelligence company: “Doing my best to help the underpopulation crisis. A collapsing birth rate is the biggest danger civilization faces by far. Mark my words, they are sadly true.” (He has at least nine kids, with three women, that we know of.) Of course, in spite of such proclamations, Musk has, as Rolling Stone notes, decried “bills that allocate federal funding to child care,” and runs a company that has allegedly fired people for issues related to pregnancy or child care (Tesla has insisted this was not the case, citing a variety of alleged infractions for the terminations, from poor work performance to breaking company rules over benefits).

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